March 27, 2025

Blood in Moscow: The Idaho Four Murders

Four young lives cut short in the dead of night. A masked intruder stalking through a college house while survivors froze in fear. A criminology PhD student who may have been studying his own crime.

The November 2022 murders of Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle rocked the small town of Moscow, Idaho and captivated the nation's attention. What should have been an ordinary Saturday night for these University of Idaho students ended in unimaginable tragedy when they were stabbed to death in their beds between 4:00-4:25 AM.

What makes this case particularly haunting isn't just the brutality of the attack, but the eight-hour delay before anyone called 911—despite two roommates surviving in the house, one of whom even saw the masked killer. The psychological impact of fear, the developmental neuroscience of young adult decision-making, and the surreal nature of encountering violence in what should be a safe space all contributed to a paralysis that may have cost precious time.

When authorities finally arrested 28-year-old Bryan Kohberger, the evidence was compelling: DNA on a knife sheath left at the scene, cell phone pings near the victims' house, surveillance footage of his car circling the neighborhood, and Amazon records showing he purchased a Ka-Bar style knife months earlier. Yet the most chilling aspect remains the lack of a clear motive—was it a thrill kill by someone studying criminal behavior? A rejected romantic advance? A calculated experiment?

As the case heads to trial in August 2025, the prosecution seeks the death penalty while defense attorneys challenge evidence collection methods and search warrant validity. Meanwhile, four families continue seeking justice and answers about why their beloved children were taken so senselessly.

What would you do if you came face-to-face with a masked intruder in your home? The psychology of fear and fight-or-flight responses plays out in this true crime case that feels more like a nightmare than reality.

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00:40 - Introduction to the Idaho Four Murders

09:13 - Setting the Moscow Murder Scene

15:54 - The Hunt for Brian Koberger

20:15 - Evidence and Investigation Timeline

25:00 - The Eight-Hour Mystery

31:58 - Analyzing the Delayed 911 Call

36:18 - Final Thoughts and Case Assessment

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Community is healing.

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Community is how we carry on together.

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It was a crime that rocked a small college town and captured the attention of the world.

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This horrible crime has affected all of us Four University of Idaho students murdered in a house near campus.

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These girls were absolutely beautiful.

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They've been friends since sixth grade.

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It's a shame and it hurts.

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Some feared the murders of Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Ethan Chapin and Zanna Kernodle would never be solved.

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Who would want to hurt these four students sleeping in their house?

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The answer, police would later say, was this man.

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This is State of Idaho versus Brian C Koberger.

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Brian Koberger, a PhD student in criminology who lived 10 miles away.

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But why?

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That's just one of so many questions that remain more than one year later, as we remember the four Idaho students taken too soon.

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Welcome back to 69 South everybody.

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I hope you had a good time.

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Since the last time I'm Chop, your host, and with me always is my beautiful co-host Julie.

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How are you doing today?

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Hey everyone, thanks for tuning in today.

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Today we're tackling a case that has been haunting headlines and true crime junkies alike the Idaho Four murders in Moscow.

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Idaho Four college kids, a quiet town and a mystery that's still unfolding as we speak.

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Yeah, this one's got it all Stabbings in the dead of night, a criminology student turned suspect, and enough twists to keep you up late Googling.

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We're recording this in March of 2025, so we've got the latest updates to share.

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Buckle up, because it's going to be a good one.

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Now, before we jump in a quick heads up, this case involves some heavy stuff violence, loss and a community still reeling.

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We'll keep it real but respectful.

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Are you ready to set the scene?

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I was born ready.

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Let's take it back to november of 2022 in moscow, idaho.

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It's a small college town, home to the university of idaho.

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You can picture it pretty much in your head Tree-lined streets, cozy rentals and a vibe pretty chill.

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So chill that they hadn't had a murder since 2015.

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That all changed on November 13th.

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So it's the early hours of November 13th, 2022.

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Four University of Idaho students are in an off-campus rental house at 1122 King Road.

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This place is like a classic college setup it's three stories, has six bedrooms, a little warm, but full life.

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Now five women live there, but that night only two roommates were home alongside the four who'd become the victims.

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Let's talk about the victims first.

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Four who'd become the victims?

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Let's talk about the victims first.

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First we got Madison Mogan and Zanna Kernudel, both 20 years old, who lived in the house.

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Maddie and Zanna worked together at a local restaurant pretty tight-knit friends.

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Then there's Kaylee Gonzalez, 21, who just moved out but came back to hang out for a party nearby.

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And finally Ethan Chapin, who's also 20, zanna's boyfriend.

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He was crashing there for the night also.

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Now these kids were living the college dream.

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Earlier that night, ethan and Zanna hit up the Sigma Chi frat party on campus, while Kaylee and Maddie Maddie being Kaylee's lifelong bestie went out to a bar called the Corner Club.

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They grabbed some late-night grub from a food truck and headed back around 1.45 am.

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Everyone is home by 2 am and it's quiet until it's not.

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Yeah, because sometime between 4 and 4.25 am somebody slips into that house with a big old fixed blade knife Think military style, like a K-bar, and goes to town.

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Four kids stabbed to death multiple times, mostly in their beds.

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Autopsies later showed some had defensive wounds, meaning they fought back.

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No sexual assault, no tying up, just brutal targeted violence.

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And here's the kicker.

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Two other roommates, bethany and Dylan, were in the house and they survived.

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Dylan actually woke up around 4 am, heard crying, opened her door and saw a masked guy in black walking toward the back sliding door.

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She completely froze.

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He didn't see her or didn't care, and then she locked herself in her room.

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Eight hours later, at 1158 AM, one of their phones calls 911 about an unconscious person.

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Eight hours.

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That seems a little bit weird, but they were texting each other, hitting up social media.

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Even one met his family saying she had saw a masked dude, but no one called the cops till noon.

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That's one of those head scratchers we'll unpack later, though.

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The scene was chaos when the police rolled up Blood everywhere.

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Four kids gone and a dog Kaylee's pup unharmedmed, just chilling on the third floor.

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Moscow, pd, idaho, state police and the fbi jump in and the town's like what the hell just happened now moscow's a small place, about 25 000 people max, so this hits hard.

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Chief James Fry got almost 130 law enforcement folks on this combining through tips.

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At first they're like no threat to the community, but three days later Fry's backtracking yeah, we can't say that anymore.

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And then the panic set in.

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They've got no murder weapon, but they do find a tan leather K-bar knife sheath on Maddie's bed right next to her body.

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That's clue number one.

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Then surveillance footage from the neighborhood shows a white Hyundai Elantra cruising by the house multiple times 3.29 am, 4.04 am, then peeling out.

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At 4.20 am Cops start hunting for that car.

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Now fast forward to December 15th.

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Over a month later, they're chasing down 22,000 fifth-generation Elantras made between 2011 and 2013.

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Well, one pops up in Pullman Washington, eight miles away, registered to a 28-year-old PhD student at Washington State University named Brian Christopher Koberger.

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This guy's a character straight out of a crime novel.

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He's studying criminology ironic right and just finished his first trimester at WSU.

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He moved there in the summer of 2022.

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He lives in a student apartment and get this his phone pinged near the victim's house at least 12 times since June, mostly late at night.

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On November 13th it's off from 2.47 am to 4.48 am, then tracks back to Pullman.

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Then, december 30th, boom FBI and Pennsylvania State Police raid hits his parents' place in the Poconos, 2,500 miles away.

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They attract him there after he drove cross-country with his dad for the holidays.

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Swat team rolls in, snipers on standby and they nab his ass.

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Trash from the house gets tested and his DNA matches the sheath that he left at the crime scene.

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January 3rd 2023, he's extradited to Idaho charged with four counts of first-degree murder and felony burglary.

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Nobel, locked up in the Latah County Jail, cops also find he'd bought a K-Bar knife and a sharpener on Amazon months before, and a surviving roommate described the intruder as having quote unquote bushy eyebrows.

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A detail that kind of fits Koberger.

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Now all the evidence is stacking up DNA, the same kind of car phone records, but the motive, that's still a big weird thing that they haven't figured out yet, Like a big fat question mark on the case.

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Did he know them?

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I mean, was it random?

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We're still in the dark at this point.

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So Koberger's arraigned in May of 2023.

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He stands silent, so the judge enters not guilty pleas for him.

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Prosecutors say they'll seek the death penalty if he's convicted.

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Big stakes are on the line now.

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The trial is set for october of 2023, but his defense isn't ready, so he waves his speedy trial right, pushing it back.

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Fast forward to 2024.

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Tons of pre-trial drama.

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His team's fighting the two-toss-to-DNA evidence, saying it's from a shady genetic genealogy methods.

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They're also mad about search warrants claiming police misconduct.

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Hearings in January 2025 get superheated, but Judge Stephen Hippler keeps most of it sealed.

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No rulings yet as of today.

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Then there's the venue fight Moscow's small, and Koberger's lawyers argued that the media frenzy 70% of locals think he's guilty per a survey means no fair trial there In September of 2024, a judge agrees to move it 300 miles south to Boise in Ada County.

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A new judge, a new trial, and the trial is now set for August 11th to November 7th of 2025.

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Oh, and the house was the crime scene.

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They tore that down in 2023 after the owner gifted it to the university.

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A healing step, they called it.

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Meanwhile, the defense hints at an alibi.

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Maybe Kohlberger was elsewhere.

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They even float that the sheath DNA was planted.

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Prosecutors are like nah.

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Jury can decide that.

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Now the latest updates as of March 2025, new surveillance video drops showing Koberger's alleged stalker route that night.

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Now posts on X are buzzing about it, mapping out how he circled the house.

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No official confirmation yet, but it's got people talking.

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This case is a hamster wheel of motions and delays.

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Kaylee's family are pissed about it.

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They're crowdfunding to attend the trial set for this summer.

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It's a circus, Julie, and we're still waiting for the main event.

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All right, Chobb, let's chew on this.

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Why these four students?

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I don't know.

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I was wondering that.

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I mean you look at the dude and he's kind of I mean I'm not trying to be mean, but he's kind of nerdy looking.

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I wonder if one of these you know pretty college girls maybe shot him down or at some point.

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I think they said he is on the autism spectrum as well too.

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I think they said he is on the autism spectrum as well too.

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As of right now they're kind of claiming that he didn't know right from wrong or something along that line, like they're just playing the not smart enough tip.

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But the dude had a PhD and he was going to school for criminology and that makes you think, you know, did he pick them to study his own crime?

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Was it personal One's theory that he stalked them?

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You know the phone pings in the car circling their house.

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Maybe he snapped after getting canned as a teaching assistant at WSU days before his arrest.

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I mean, or maybe it was just random like a thrill kill.

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The dude's got a master's from DeSales University.

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He studied under a forensic psychologist, even posted on Reddit asking ex-cons about their crimes.

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He's got the brain for it.

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But then there's this wild card a 2021 home invasion in Pullman Masked guy, knife early morning.

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Sound.

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Familiar Cops cleared him, but the defense might use that to point to someone else.

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The surviving roommates add another layer eight hours to call 911.

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Were they in shock or scared the killer'd come back and that knife sheath sloppy to leave it.

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Unless it was on purpose.

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What do you think?

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I think that when Brian Kohlberger got halfway back to his house and he was looking for that knife sheet, I bet he was smacking himself in the forehead saying stupid, stupid, stupid.

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I mean I think it was an accident, no way he left that shit there on purpose.

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Oh no, Gut says he did it, but the why is kind of murky for me.

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Evidence is tight, DNA don't lie, but the defense is scrappy.

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I think the guy who got off I think this guy kind of maybe got off on control and this was his messed up experiment or something.

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What do you think?

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I mean Eileen guilty too, but that eight hour gap just bugs me for some reason.

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And no murder weapon.

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Maybe it's still out there.

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This trial is going to hinge on the DNA and that car footage.

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Either way, moscow's scarred for life.

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The families, the school, the whole vibe out there has changed completely.

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Yeah, it's a pretty heavy vibe out there on this.

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Ethan Santa, maddie and Kaylee they were just little kids, man, basically not little kids, but to me they were just kids in college.

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Whatever happens, justice better show up in Boise.

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I want to listen to that 911 call with you guys.

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Let you hear it and then we'll talk about that for a minute, because that has me kind of thinking about stuff a little bit.

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All right, here it is stuff a little bit All right, here it is 11.55 am.

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42, 2nd November 13, 2022.

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I'm on location of your emergency.

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Hi, something is happening.

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Something happened in our house.

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We don't know what.

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What is?

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the address of the emergency 112.

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No, no, no emergency.

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What is the rest of the address?

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Oh, King Road.

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Okay, and is that a house or an apartment?

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It's a house.

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Can you repeat the address to make sure that I have it right?

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I'll talk to you guys.

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We live at the White, so we're next to them.

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I need someone to repeat the address for verification the address 1122 King Road.

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Tell me exactly what's going on.

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One of the roommates has passed out and she was drunk drunk last night and she's not waking up.

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Okay, oh, and they saw some man in their house last night.

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Yeah, Hi, this is Ann Ann.

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Are you with the patient?

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Okay, I need someone to keep the phone.

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Stop passing it around.

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Can I just tell you what happened?

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Pretty much.

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What is going on currently.

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Has someone passed out right now?

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I don't really know, but pretty much at 4 am.

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Okay, I need to know what's going on right now.

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If someone has passed out, can you find that out?

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Yeah, I'll come, come on, but we've got to go check, but we have to.

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Did you pass out?

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No, she's not waking up.

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Okay, one moment, I'm getting help started that way.

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Okay, and how old is she?

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Um, she's 20.

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20, you said yes, 20.

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Okay, hello, hello.

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Okay, I need someone to stop passing the phone around because I've talked to four different people.

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Okay, sorry, they just gave me the phone.

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Is she?

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breathing?

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Hello, is she breathing?

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No, okay, okay, bethany, I need you to talk to them.

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Okay, I can't talk to them, but I need you to talk to them.

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Hello, okay, bethany, I need you to talk to them.

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Okay, I can't talk to them, but I need you to talk to them.

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Okay, hello, okay, I have already sent the ambulance and law enforcement.

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Stay on the line.

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If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it.

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Say that again there's a police here right now.

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Okay, if there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it.

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Do you have a defibrillator?

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Yes, we have one.

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Are you talking to the officer?

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Yes, okay, I'm going to let you go, since he's there with you and can help you.

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Okay, thank you.

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Bye, okay, you go, since he's there with you and can help you, okay.

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Thank you, okay, man.

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Listen to that just gives me chills, man.

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You can just hear the panic and the fear the fear in the poor kids yeah, but what's weird to me is that the there was two victims in each room and a total of four victims, but you don't hear them talking about another girl passed out, or I mean I don't even get how they say passed out.

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The way the police described the murder scene was like a bloodbath I bet, for one, she was in shock for sure, and for two, maybe there was a blanket covering her where the knife wound was, or maybe the other bedroom was where the bloody mess was.

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But it had to be a bloody mess regardless.

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Yeah, Now we've walked through the night of November 13th 2022, the Idaho four murders in Moscow, Idaho, and now we have Brian Kohlberger in the hot seat.

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But there's one piece of the puzzle that keeps us all up tonight, and that's the surviving roommates, Dylan and Bethany.

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Dylan saw a masked guy, presumably Kohlberger, walking through the house, and yet it took eight hours for anyone to call 911.

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I want to break this down minute by minute to figure out what the hell happened.

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Yeah, babe, this part is a mind bender.

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I mean you got four kids stabbed to death upstairs, blood literally seeping through the walls, two roommates downstairs who don't dial 911 help till noon.

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I mean I'd be screaming bloody murder, pun intended.

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Let's set the clock and walk through it.

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So let's start at 4 am.

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That's the key moment.

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Let's set the clock with her dog upstairs.

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Then she hears what she thinks is crying from Zanna's room on the same floor.

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Now prosecutors say Zanna got a DoorDash order at 4 am and she's on TikTok until 4.12.

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So she's still alive.

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Then the murders happened between 4 and 4-25 am, based on an audio from a neighbor's security camera picking up a scream at 4-17.

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So it's 4-17, the chaos point scream goes off Kohlberger's allegedly finishing up.

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Dylan cracks the door open first time because he hears someone say there's someone here.

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She peeks out, sees nothing, then shuts it.

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The second time she hears crying in a dude's voice, probably Kohlberger, saying it's okay, I'm going to help you.

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That's creepy as hell, julie.

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Third time's the charm.

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She opens the door again and bam, there he is.

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Third time's the charm.

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She opens the door again and bam, there he is.

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Black clothes, mask, bushy eyebrows, strolling past her toward the backsliding door.

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This is around 4.20 am, based on that white Hyundai Elantra peeling out on camera at 4.20.

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Dylan is face-to-face with this guy and she describes him as 5'10" athletic, not too bulky, and she is completely frozen.

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She doesn't scream, she doesn't run, she just locks her door and stays put.

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Court filings say she's in a shock phase like a deer in headlights.

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Next thing we know she's texting Bethhany who is downstairs on the first floor at 4 22 am wait a minute.

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4, 22, that's like two minutes after staring down kohlberger.

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What is she texting?

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Yo girl, I just saw a dude in a mask.

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He might have killed everyone because I'd be smashing 911 fast.

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Right about that point now.

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Now you think that right, but the text unsealed March 6th of 2025, are panicked but vague.

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Dylan's like no one's answering.

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Then I'm really confused right now.

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And then you have Bethany texting back yeah, I know, but it's better than being alone.

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And then you have Bethany texting back yeah, I know, but it's better than being alone.

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Now, between 422 and 424, they swap 17 messages.

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Dylan's freaking out, saying she heard stuff, saw a guy, something like a ski mask on his head.

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Bethany's like run to my room.

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Dylan bolts downstairs and they hunker down together, but no 911.

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They're on Snapchat and Insta from 422 to 437, and then it's quiet until 8 am.

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Eight hours, babe.

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That really kills me.

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I mean they're Snapchatting while their friends are bleeding out upstairs.

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By 8 am they're back on their phones.

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Dylan texts Maddie and Kaylee at 1023.

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Please answer, are you up?

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Nobody replied, obviously.

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She calls her dad at 1140.

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Still no 911.

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Finally, 1158,.

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Someone might be a friend who showed up, uses Bethany's phone to call Dispatcher, gets something.

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Something has happened in our house.

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One of the roommates has passed out.

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She was drunk last night and she's not waking up.

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Then, oh, I saw a man last night, eight freaking hours ago.

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Now that 911 call audio released that you guys just heard.

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You hear that she's frantic, you hear her crying, you hear heavy breathing, the bones passed around and they're.

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It's like they don't even have a clue of what's up.

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Just that zanna is unresponsive, so we know her boyfriend, ethan, was in the same room with her.

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Now the cops roll up, find theath and it's game over.

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But why the delay?

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That's the million-dollar question.

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Yeah, I'm pissed just thinking about it.

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I mean, were they drunk, were they scared?

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Were they just occupied by, like, scrolling through their phones?

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Social media.

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Right, I mean they were like in their room, but still it just freaks me out that they seen a bushy, you know the dude in the mask.

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Just, it doesn't make much sense to me.

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No, it's not very simple either.

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Experts like this, uc Irvin psych professor Elizabeth Kaufman, quoted in a March 22nd CNN piece and it said it's all about your brain wiring.

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These girls are 1920.

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Their prefrontal cortex, the decision making part, isn't fully developed until they hit 25, so that fight flight freeze trigger mode takes over in panic.

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Dylan sees a killer, freezes brain, locks up Bethany's downstairs no clue what's real till Dylan is with her.

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They're texting, sure, but it's like they're processing, not acting.

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I mean.

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So what you think?

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They're just like paralyzed, froze up.

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I get being scared, but eight hours they're hitting up the socials calling dad, why not the po-po?

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Now court documents in ex-post say the defense is hammering this.

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Why did they wait?

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Some theories are being floated around.

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They thought it was a party gone wrong.

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Maybe Zanna passed out drunk, not dead.

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The 911 call mentions she was drunk last night, so maybe they didn't suspect a murder until later.

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Plus, moscow's like a Very laid-back, chill town.

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There's been no murders there in five to seven years, so you don't assume a massacre.

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That's fair to think.

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But Dylan saw the guy masked up creepy post-crying, that's not a fat bro stumbling home and blood was everywhere.

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I mean you'd think you'd even smell the blood.

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There was so much blood on this scene Maybe not First floor's far from the blood there was so much blood on this scene?

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Maybe not First floor's, far from the action, third floor's, where Kaylee and Maddie were.

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Second was Ethan and Zanna.

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Blood stayed upstairs, seeping through the walls, not flooding down Dylan's room's on two, but she locked herself in, ran to Bethany's on the first floor no reason to go upstairs until, you know, the friends came over.

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Now, fear is a hell of a drug.

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It could have kept them glued downstairs, hoping that it would sort itself out.

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Still awful wild to me, though, eight hours of hope.

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It's fine.

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I mean, kober's defense is eating this up.

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Mark's filings say they'll argue that the timeline is off.

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Maybe Dylan's story is shaky.

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Prosecutors want those texts in court.

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They say it's excited utterances, raw panic proving it's real.

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I think this time gap is going to be a big battle in Boise come August.

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Oh it will.

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The delays a gut punch to families.

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Like Steve Gonzalez are torn up wondering if faster action could have helped.

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But he said the kids died quick.

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No prolonged suffering, still eight hours, from 420 am to 1158 am.

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It's a mystery wrapped in trauma.

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Dylan and Bethany will testify and I'll bet the jury's going to grill this hard.

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You know, even though there was the big gap between seeing the masked up dude.

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You never know.

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Maybe they thought it was one of their friends playing a joke on them and maybe they were a little bit tipsy.

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Well, think about this.

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They're in college, they're all about this.

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They're in college, they're all hammered, they're all drunk.

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I mean a young college girl, 20 years old, drunker than hell, walking out of her room and seeing this dude with a mask on, she's like the fuck, is that?

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Turn around and go right back in her room, like was that real?

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Like maybe she thought she was hallucinating or hell, she could have ate some shrooms.

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You never know, maybe she was stoned, but you know, in no way are we saying that we think that this girl had anything to do with it.

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No, I don't think that the girls had anything to do with it.

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I genuinely think that they really had no clue what was going on, because, had they had a clue, these were their friends.

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Yeah, they were lifelong friends.

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A couple of them were together.

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My money is definitely on Kohlberger on this one.

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I mean, you do got the knife sheath with his DNA on it and his purchase receipts from where he bought the knife off.

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Amazon.

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That gets me too.

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I mean a criminologist.

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You're going to buy the knife.

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Obviously he didn't mean to leave the sheath there, but you would cover up your evidence more than that.

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Plus, you already know that there's cameras everywhere.

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They caught his car there.

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He turned off his phone when the murder was being committed.

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That's another point.

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Do you think they could have caught him just by with the identification of the Hyundai Elantra, or do you think they had to have the DNA on that knife sheath?

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The knife sheath is what sealed his fate, I think the knife sheath.

00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:28.605
They had to have it, like you said.

00:29:28.605 --> 00:29:36.229
You know he even got pulled over right here in our Hoosier State by Indiana State Police for speeding I think two times, with his father.

00:29:37.394 --> 00:29:42.907
Yeah, I think it was like two times within a mile or a couple of miles or something crazy like that, up on 70.

00:29:43.835 --> 00:29:50.769
I wonder if he was spending all the time with his family you know what I mean driving basically across country because he knew his ass was cooked.

00:29:50.769 --> 00:29:54.246
I bet that knife sheath was bugging the shit out of that dude.

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Oh, it was eating him up.

00:29:57.174 --> 00:30:18.676
I don't think he would have got caught if that knife sheath wasn't there fighting saying that it was basically an illegal search of the trash, because when you throw your trash out, it basically that you're discarding something that it's public, you know anybody can grab it and get the dna.

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So they tested the trash.

00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:31.076
They found his father's dna and then they went on the genealogy tip and found out that Brian Kohlberger was you know DNA.

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His dad said Matched it.

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Yes, exactly, and that he had a white Elantra too.

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I think his ass is cooked myself.

00:30:40.423 --> 00:30:43.624
Did they just reinstate the death penalty in Idaho?

00:30:44.215 --> 00:30:51.695
They did, and he's up for the death penalty penalty in Idaho.

00:30:51.715 --> 00:30:52.720
They did, and he's up for the death penalty.

00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.265
Also, they reintroduced the firing squad as the death penalty in Idaho.

00:30:54.265 --> 00:30:55.469
I think they let them pick.

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Maybe I was watching a news clip on that.

00:30:57.675 --> 00:31:01.705
But they're not letting people stand there and shoot the person no more.

00:31:01.705 --> 00:31:11.650
They're contemplating getting a mechanical device to shoot the person that's going to be executed with a death penalty.

00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:13.701
That would be weird, man.

00:31:13.701 --> 00:31:15.923
I don't think I would pick firing squad.

00:31:15.923 --> 00:31:18.242
What would you pick if you had the death penalty?

00:31:20.135 --> 00:31:21.382
Not the firing squad.

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