May 18, 2025
Deadly Wrong Way: The Judy Kirby Tragedy
A white Pontiac Firebird speeds northbound in the southbound lanes of State Road 67 at nearly 100 mph, T-tops removed, blonde hair blowing in the wind. Inside, four children clutch whatever they can as witnesses report them screaming. The driver, 32-year-old Judy Kirby, appears eerily calm, "stoic" and "on a mission" according to those who swerved to avoid her.
What drives a mother of ten to commit an act that would claim seven lives, including three of her own children, her nephew celebrating his 10th birthday, and a father with his two teenagers in an oncoming van? Was it the postpartum depression diagnosed just months after giving birth to her youngest child? The paranoia that federal agents were watching her? Or was it something more deliberate – a calculated decision that would lead to one of the longest prison sentences in Indiana history?
We explore the devastating crash that shook Martinsville, Indiana on March 25, 2000, examining the evidence that led prosecutors to charge Judy with seven counts of murder rather than manslaughter. The haunting timeline reveals a woman who drove at lethal speeds for nearly two miles in the wrong direction, passing multiple opportunities to correct course, moments after calmly purchasing candy bars at a gas station for the children who would perish minutes later.
Beyond the courtroom drama and 215-year sentence that followed, we delve into the lasting trauma experienced by survivors, including Louise Reel Casari who lost her husband and two children in the crash. "For the survivor, it is never really over," she reflects. "You just tuck it away and continue with life." Two decades later, seven crosses still stand at the crash site – silent sentinels marking lives cut tragically short and forcing us to confront difficult questions about mental health, accountability, and justice when unthinkable tragedy strikes.
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00:37 - Judy Kirby: A Deadly Wrong-Way Crash
10:09 - The Victims and Crime Scene
15:19 - Witnesses Report Erratic Behavior
21:55 - Judy's Mental State Before Crash
27:55 - The Murder Trial and Defense
35:10 - 215-Year Sentence and Appeals
44:48 - Lasting Impact on Survivors
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A woman who was sentenced to more than 200 years in prison for killing seven people, including six children, returns to a Morgan County courtroom.
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Judy Kirby wants a new trial more than a decade now after she caused that deadly crash.
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Our Eyewitness News reporter, rich Van Wyk, went to Martinsville for Kirby's latest court hearing today.
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It will likely be months before Judy Kirby and her victims know whether she will get a new trial.
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Her first trial ended with a guilty verdict and 215 years in prison.
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Welcome back everybody to 69 South.
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We are so glad you're back with us listening to our dark crime stories.
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I am Chop your host, and with me always is my beautiful co-host, julie.
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I'm good and I'm here to help unravel the stories that haunt us.
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Today we're diving into a heartbreaking case from Morgan County, indiana, the story of Judy D Kirby.
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On March 25, 2000, a single moment changed countless lives, leaving a trail of loss and questions.
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This story begins at 4.57 pm on a quiet evening at the intersection of Pumpkin Vine Hill Road and State Road 67, just north of Martinsville, indiana.
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If you're not from around here, it's a small town, the kind of place where neighbors know each other and life moves at a steady pace.
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By a horrific head-on collision between two vehicles, a white 1989 Pontiac Formula and a blue 1994 Plymouth van the impact was catastrophic, reducing both vehicles to mangled wrecks and leaving emergency responders with a scene they'd never forget.
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In the Pontiac we find Judy D Kirby, a 32-year-old mother of 10,.
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Behind the wheel With her were her four children her sons Johnny, 9, and Jacob, 5, and her daughter Jordan, who was 12 years old, and also her nephew Jeremy Young, 10, who was also celebrating his birthday that day.
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Tragically, all four children perished in that crash.
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Their lives cut short in an instant.
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Judy survived, but her injuries were severe and she was rushed to Methodist Hospital in that crash.
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Their lives cut short in an instant.
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Judy survived, but her injuries were severe and she was rushed to Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis.
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I saw some of the wreckage of this actually from a good little distance.
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I was actually coming down southbound on Highway 67 that day and I saw lifeline helicopters flying into that area and probably I don't know maybe 20 or 30 cars in front of me was the wreckage, but people were crossing the highway and going the other way and it was.
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I mean you could just tell something bad happened.
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I had no idea that it was this bad.
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I mean you couldn't tell what the vehicles were from my vantage point.
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Wow, that's crazy that you've seen it.
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I remember it happened.
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My vantage point Wow, that's crazy that you've seen it.
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I remember it happened.
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I think I was a junior in high school or something like that whenever it happened, but I remember the news about it.
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It was crazy.
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Now, in the Plymouth van driven by Thomas M Reel, a 40-year-old truck driver and co-founder of Seedline Christian Ministries, the loss was equally devastating.
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Thomas, his daughter Jessica 14, and son Bradley 13, were killed on impact.
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A passenger, 13-year-old Richard Miller, survived but sustained life-altering injuries, including a compound shoulder fracture, a broken femur and multiple internal traumas.
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He, too, was taken to Methodist Hospital, listed in serious but stable condition.
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Now the scale of this tragedy seven lives lost, six of them children, sent shockwaves through Martinsville and beyond, emergency workers, hardened by the years of service, later admitting to having nightmares about the scene.
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The crash site, just north of Wilbur Road on State Road 67, became a somber landmark, marked by seven crosses that stand to this day as a memorial to the lives lost.
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Yeah, you can still see the crosses there.
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They are still there.
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I'll tell you what.
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They are still there.
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I'll tell you what.
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When they say it was four children and Judy Kirby, in that little Pontiac formula, it's like a Firebird formula.
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They're not very big on the inside.
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I mean the front seat usually has two bucket seats with a lift-up console in the middle of them.
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I had an 84 Firebird.
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There's no reason, I know this.
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And the back seat is barely big enough for.
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Is it like two bucket seats?
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Absolutely yes.
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Where nothing can really fit in the middle.
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Yeah, it's like only for four people.
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Absolutely Four people at best safely.
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Wow, and there was four kids and Judy Kirby in there, right.
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So she had three kids squashed in the back, which is a tight fit especially for a little bit older kids.
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Wow, I bet they were scared to death.
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Almost immediately, the Morgan County Sheriff's Department launched an exhaustive investigation led by Deputy Scott Hamilton.
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The evidence was chilling.
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Judy's Pontiac had been traveling northbound in the southbound lanes of State Road 67, a divided highway, at speeds estimated between 60 and 100 miles per hour.
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Witnesses reported no signs of braking or attempts to correct her course.
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The collision with Thomas Reel's van was head-on, with a force that left little chance of survival.
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Hamilton, along with coroner Brian Ringer and prosecutor Monte Kivitt, worked through the night meeting at Costin's Funeral Chapel at 2.15 am to piece together the events leading to this disaster.
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The investigation pointed to Judy as the catalyst for the tragedy.
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The investigation pointed to Judy as the catalyst for the tragedy.
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On April 14, 2000, hamilton filed an affidavit requesting for an arrest warrant charging Judy with seven counts of murder four counts of neglect of a dependent resulting in serious bodily injury and one count of aggravated battery.
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The question wasn't what just happened, but why.
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Was this a tragic accident, a moment of mental collapse or something way more deliberate?
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To understand, we need to step into Judy's world and the hours leading up to the crash.
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Now, judy Kirby was a complex figure, a mother of eight biological children and two adopted, navigating a life marked by personal struggles and fractured relationships.
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Born in 1968, she had been married to Victor Kirby, with whom she shared five children, including Jordan, joni and Jacob, who died in the crash.
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After their divorce, judy began a relationship with Tenny Kirby, father to her younger children, including Joshua, justin and Michael.
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Her nephew, jeremy Young, who she had taken under her care, was also part of her extended family and she looked after them for her sister, linda.
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You might notice that the children and the first two guys had the same last name, and that's because Tenny was actually Victor's uncle.
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Now, on March 25th in 2000, the day of the crash, Judy's actions seemed routine.
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At first.
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It was Jeremy's 10th birthday and she was determined to make it special.
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At 11 30 am she left her south side Indianapolis home in her Pontiac Firebird with Jeremy in tow, heading to her sister Janetta Scott's house in Acton to pick up Jordan, Joni and Jacob.
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By noon she arrived and around 2 pm she left with all four children planning to visit Toys R Us in Greenwood to buy a birthday gift for Jeremy.
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Janetta followed in her own car but lost track of Judy when she stopped in traffic on Southport Road around 2.30 pm.
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Unable to find her, Janetta returned home unaware of the tragedy unfolding.
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Now, judy's behavior that day raised red flags.
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Witnesses described her as erratic, driving at high speeds and weaving through traffic.
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Witnesses described her as erratic, driving at high speeds and weaving through traffic.
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Between 3 and 3.30 pm a man working in his yard on Ralston Road saw Judy stop her car briefly in front of his house, appearing disoriented.
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Now, at Valleybrook Mobile Home Park, about 40 minutes before the crash, resident Dan Owen saw her driving slowly, seemingly lost and unresponsive.
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And then there were two more witnesses.
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They reported seeing her at an intersection accepting a cordless phone from someone holding up traffic as if in a daze there was a couple different weird things that actually happened up in that trailer park.
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Where the guy said she seemed dazed, witnesses said that she had pulled up.
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They were having a baby shower at a clubhouse and they saw the white Pontiac pull up and they asked her hey, can we help you?
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Because nobody at the baby shower knew who she was or any of the children.
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At first I guess they thought she might have been one of the guests that they invited, that didn't show up or whatever, and they was asking her questions and all she said was she was looking to find a birthday party or she needed a birthday party.
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So they thought that she had the wrong clubhouse and they give her directions to the other clubhouse in the mobile home park and then she drove off and that was the last they heard from her there.
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That was the last they saw of her.
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Yeah, wow, her sister was following her and kind of wanting to make sure she was all right.
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I guess they were having conversations about this, that and the other.
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Her sister said that she had told Judy to take a shower and the police had asked her in an interview why did you tell her to take a shower?
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And she was like, well, just kind of change the subject and get her mind off things.
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Her sister was following her in her car and they had went to the car wash and after they left the car wash they come up to an intersection and her sister, janetta, actually thought Judy was having car problems and could, because she just paused, like in an intersection, and she had drove around her like she was in a daze.
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Yeah exactly Like you said drove around her and then, when her sister drove around her, Judy Kirby took off and basically just lost her.
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And she didn't see her anymore after that.
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That's right.
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She couldn't find her.
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I think she went to, drove to a few different department stores and ended up at the Walmart and she was gone.
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Her sister had said she was just following her to make sure she made it home safely, so obviously she was a little bit worried.
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Something was going on.
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Absolutely Now.
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The final moments before the crash were harrowing.
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Witnesses along State Road 67 painted a consistent picture of Judy's Pontiac speeding northbound in the southbound lanes, ignoring the wrong way signs and median turnarounds.
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Steve Porter, stacking wood near his home, heard an unusual engine noise and saw Judy's car veer into oncoming traffic, striking Rill's van with explosive force.
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Eva Wrangler, a passenger in another vehicle, described the Pontiac as flying up the exit ramp packed with children.
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Amy Davis, traveling with Wrangler, had to swerve to avoid a collision narrowing, escaping disaster.
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I bet what she means by that exit ramp is there's like a little pull-off section right before you get to where you can go into Lake Edgewood.
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Absolutely yes.
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And it's not really an exit ramp but it's a piece of shoulder you can pull off onto and that's like midway.
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That's almost to Wilbur Road, so I would say that's about halfway before the crash happened.
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Now we drive down this section of highway literally daily.
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I could only imagine coming southbound, coming home from work and seeing a Pontiac Firebird going 60 to 100 miles an hour, not veering basically anything, just like a rocket headed the wrong way down the one-way double lane highway.
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I couldn't even imagine it.
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Now, other witnesses echoed the chaos.
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Jerry Pearson saw the Pontiac speed passed at over 60 miles per hour.
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Airborne after the impact, jeff Spicer estimated Judy's speed at 55 miles per hour.
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Airborne after the impact, jeff spicer estimated judy's speed at 55 miles per hour or higher, noting that the explosion that followed.
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Now william fugate and joni kane saw the car flying at 80 to 100 miles per hour, trailing blue smoke.
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Becky smith and sienna shoe fit and tracy van hook described judy weaving through traffic, forcing other drivers to dodge her at speeds of up to 90 miles per hour.
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Tracy noted a small boy in the front of the seat, possibly clutching to the dashboard in this tiny car, with Judy's blonde hair blowing in the wind as the car's T-tops were off.
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Wow, so just think how scary that makes it more.
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You have no roof over your head at all, and do cars come with T-tops anymore?
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I haven't seen T-tops in a long time.
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Now that you mentioned that, I don't think they do.
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I know they come with sunroofs and stuff like that, but I haven't seen T-tops on a car for years.
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T-tops were the shit I have to say.
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Could you imagine the interior of that car?
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I mean, she's freaking out.
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The witnesses are saying that she looks stoic, she's on out.
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The witnesses are saying that she looks stoic, she's on a mission, she's on a mission.
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I bet all the kids were just screaming Mommy, stop, mommy, stop, or just screaming bloody murder, it just had to be her, and it's like she didn't even hear him.
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She's definitely on a mission.
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I think some of the witnesses also said that she seemingly went for the van because it was a bigger vehicle.
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I mean, she was definitely.
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She knew what she was doing.
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Absolutely.
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She knew what she was doing.
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The physical evidence was equally damning.
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Judy's Pontiac Firebird had flew striking the Plymouth van head on Investigators Jeff Buskirk and Danny Allen, reviewed security footage from a Speedway gas station where Judy was seen pumping gas and buying candy bars just before the crash.
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That's kind of a haunting, mundane moment.
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Because that's right there, like four seconds from the crash.
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Once you pull out and go straight up, I mean you're there within a minute.
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You buy the kids candy bars and then take them on the death ride.
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That's nuts.
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Search warrants for Judy's car and blood samples were attained.
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Her blood tested negative for alcohol or drugs, ruling out substance abuse as a factor in the crash.
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That makes it even more crazy, because I mean, I'm not saying her, it just makes you think oh my gosh, this lady was not on drugs, she was not impaired chemically or anything like that, and she still did this.
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It's really hard to swallow.
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Well, judy's state of mind became a focal point for a major depressive episode with postpartum onset triggered by the birth of her youngest child.
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Just five months earlier, judy was prescribed Zoloft for depression and Synthroid.
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Claim he denied and a feared federal agents were watching her.
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So she was paranoid, thinking that Teenie was a federal informant.
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Like was she moving drugs?
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I've read some accounts that she was selling some pain pills up there on the south side, but Kathy Walker, another sister, had confirmed Judy's medication regimen and noted no history of alcohol abuse.
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However, judy's ex-husband, victor Kirby, revealed that she believed someone was watching her, a paranoia echoed by her son, justin.
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Victor had planned to take custody of their children that day, but couldn't explain why Judy was in Martinsville.
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Wow, so that really makes you think she wasn't chemically impaired.
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He's saying that she's a good driver and she did have a lot of kids.
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So her body had been pregnant for many, many years.
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I mean I think her youngest children was five months two, three and a half and four.
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That's enough to make anybody that's her youngest four Crazy.
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So I guarantee you that postpartum depression played a major, major role in this.
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And this was like at a time where a lot of women were going.
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This is when postpartum depression kind of became real big.
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You had that woman with the silly string murders that she got accused of killing her kid and I think she tried to say it was that.
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And then there was a few others that during that time period of 10 years it was kind of prevalent on the news.
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It's definitely a serious issue with women.
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Definitely.
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I'd say she probably was a pretty good driver.
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I'll tell you those Pontiac formulas, the formula version of those Firebirds.
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They had V8s in them and a lot of them had five, even six speed transmissions in them.
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So they were like a muscle car of that year of car.
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So it wasn't a little piece of shit, right, it was a, it was like a race car, you know I didn't know what these cars look like and I was like well, I gotta see what these look like so I can describe it to people.
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Because if I don't know what it looks like and the best way I could describe it is, like you know, it was like a flashy 1980s car where you have big hair, big bands.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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With the little headlights that pop up on them kind of like a.
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Trans Am.
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That's exactly what it is.
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It's a.
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Trans Am.
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It's exactly what it is.
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It's a Pontiac Formula Trans Am, if you can imagine what the car kit looked like.
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Remember the old show Kit.
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No Kit was a Pontiac Firebird, if you can imagine what the car kit looked like.
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Remember the old show kit?
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No.
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Kit was a Pontiac Firebird.
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Basically the same car had the two little headlights that opened up and closed and most of them did have T-tops on them.
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But the Formula versions of them were fast.
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They were beefed up a little bit.
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Wow.
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So attorney Marian Wunder provided critical insight into Judy's mental state.
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Judy was emotionally distraught.
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She was convinced Tenney's alleged drug activities had put her under federal surveillance.
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The attorney noted that Tenney had fueled Judy's fears, leading to erratic behavior.
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In a recorded interview, judy denied significant conflict, saying she hugged her children goodbye before heading to her sister's.
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Yet she admitted to frustration, stating Her medical records offered further context, need help.
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Her medical records offered further context.
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Dr Michelle R Babin-Nelson and a social worker, michael Kinney, documented Judy's March 2nd admission to St Francis for hypoventilation and suicidal thoughts, diagnosed with a depressive episode.
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She was released after two days against medical advice with no noted driving concerns.
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Her thyroid condition hyperthyroidism was suggested by her defense as a factor that could have distorted her perception of reality, but medical experts found no evidence of it impairing her driving.
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I do believe that that can be because she was hyper, meaning her body was producing a lot more hormones than it could have, mixed with postpartum depression.
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I mean, that's just like a hurricane and a tornado mixed together.
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That's a bad outcome.
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I agree that's a serious problem, and especially if you think the feds are watching you.
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I mean, I don't know if that was part of it.
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I never knew this about this story.
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I mean, everybody knows the story about Judy Kirby and her wrecking, but this stuff about her thinking the feds was watching her and the defense about the thyroid issue, that's news to me.
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The investigation culminated in a detailed affidavit by Scott Hamilton outlining Judy's route and actions.
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Outlining Judy's route and actions From Valleybrook to the crash site.
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She navigated stop signs, traffic signals and a divided highway, yet drove at lethal speeds for nearly two miles in the wrong direction.
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The evidence suggested a woman under immense psychological pressure, but no clear motive, whether suicide, psychosis or intent emerged.
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The community mourned the loss of Jordan, jacob, joni, jeremy, thomas, jessica and Bradley, while Judy faced a legal reckoning.
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It's like something hit her at the gas station.
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I mean she drove normal from the trailer park by every account that they could find.
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She was triggered by something that happened at the gas station, Did she?
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I mean, they had cell phones back then.
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Did she get a phone call?
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I?
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don't know, in 2000?
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, did she see?
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something at the gas station Did she see like a vehicle and she was paranoid.
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And then she was like, oh my God, this is it.
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I don't know, they had like maybe them little calculator, cell phones, I don't know the flip phones.
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Yeah, I got my first cell phone in 2001, and it was one of them Nokia flip phones.
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It was right before the Razors came out.
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Yeah, I guess I did get mine in 98, but it was like a calculator, you know what I mean, like the Nokia flat little box phone.
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