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Hi, my name is Carrie.
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I'm calling because my friend's boyfriend did not come home last night.
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We were at Waterfall and now she is calling me, hysterical because she doesn't know where he is.
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You didn't pick anybody up by the name of John O'Keefe, did you?
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John O'Keefe, yeah, he's a Boston cop and he would be on foot, but no, I think he probably got a ride and passed out at someone's house, I don't know.
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But yeah, but no, we didn't lock anybody up or anything like that.
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And where does he live?
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He lives on Meadow off of Pleasant.
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He lives on Meadow off of Pleasant.
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Okay, okay.
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And where is the white woman?
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You said your girlfriend.
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It's his girlfriend.
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Yeah, they were out having drinks and then she left and expected him to come home at some point and he never did.
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Yep, and so I said to her you know, I had been out with him earlier in the night, but then he obviously came home and he had custody with niece and nephew because their parents passed away, and so she's home with the niece and nephew and they're old enough to be home, and so she's nervous because he never even called the niece.
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So she's like I feel like something happened and I said, okay, well, so he called the area hospital, but nobody happened.
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I personally think he, probably someone, probably picked him up in a cab.
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So I don't know.
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Yeah, we answered, did he?
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He didn't drive last night.
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No, no, okay, I mean yeah, I mean again, it's more, it would be driven by.
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He would have to, you know, call in couple of stations, um, and talk to us.
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But I mean, as of right now, it's more, you know, he just didn't come home last night.
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Is this, is this common sometimes?
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No, no, no, no, that's why.
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That's because she didn't.
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He didn't call his niece, um, that's kind of why she's more freaking out.
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So I called the area hospitals.
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I said I would call Canton police just to make sure he didn't get picked up.
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But, like I said, he's about some police officers.
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I know there's a bunch of people.
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Anybody could have picked him up.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's freaking it out.
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Okay, apparently they were having a blimp party of some sort.
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Yeah, no, I don't know, unfortunately I wasn't there, I was stuck here, but we didn't get any calls, anything like that.
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Nobody was arrested or anything like that.
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You know, okay, alrighty, all right.
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Well, thank you, all right, no problem.
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Good luck, okay, see you, thank you.
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Bye-bye.
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Welcome to 69 South Podcast.
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I'm your host, chop, and with me as my co-host back.
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Finally is Julie, how you been doing Beautiful.
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I'm good.
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How are you?
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I'm doing wonderful now that you're back, so tell us what you've been working on.
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I've been telling everybody how we've been working on this big, extreme, crazy case.
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Let's get right into it.
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So I've decided to dig into the murder of Boston police officer, john O'Keefe.
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Now, for today, our true crime story is going to take us to the East Coast, to Canton, massachusetts, a suburb of Boston located approximately 15 miles south of the city of Champions.
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Located approximately 15 miles south of the city of champions, this has been one of the voted, one of the best places to live in massachusetts.
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Reviews say that this is an awesome suburb with a tight-knit community.
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High school sports are a huge community community draw and they have an excellent school system.
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What is the city of champions?
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It's Boston.
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Boston.
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Yeah Well, I like a lot of sports teams and I disagree with that.
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But anyway, let's get on with it.
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Now for being a suburb.
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It's more rural than most suburbs, with a population of about 25,000,.
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Most homes in the area are million-dollar homes.
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People from all walks of life, from corporate executives, teachers, police officers, firefighters, lawyers, to the stay-at-home PTA.
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Soccer moms live in this area.
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Soccer moms live in this area, so it seems like a tight-knit community, a nice place to grow up low crime.
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When you say most homes are million-dollar homes, I mean, is this a whole community of rich people or is it just the property value of the area that makes it that much?
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I mean, if you was to pick up one of these homes and set it in rural Indiana where we live, would it be a million-dollar home or would it be?
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I mean like—.
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I think it would probably be like a $500,000 or $600,000 home.
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So it's the area.
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It's kind of a high-polluting area yeah.
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I guess you hear about the northeast being a different kind of way.
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I guess that's kind of what they mean yeah, so in 2013, 36 year old boston police officer john o'keefe moved to canton, massachusetts, from where he grew up in Baintree, massachusetts.
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Following his older sister, kristen's death, she was diagnosed with an aggressive brain tumor and from the day she was diagnosed to the time she passed away was only five short months.
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Could you imagine?
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No, I couldn't.
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Me either.
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Could you imagine?
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No, I couldn't me either.
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That would.
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That would be so traumatic.
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So when his sister passed away, he wanted to move in and help his brother-in-law raise his niece and nephew.
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So he did that.
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His niece was six years old and his nephew was three years old, and he was extremely close with his family, so he knew the only option for him was to be there for the kids.
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But yet more tragedy comes when Kristen's husband dies two months after Kristen passes away and he basically becomes an overnight dad to his niece and nephew.
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So let me get it straight.
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John O'Keefe's brother-in-law, which has been his sister's husband, passes away of a heart attack and leaves these two kids orphaned to John.
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Yeah, from all the reports that I've read, I believe John shared guardianship with his mother, but the kids lived with him full time.
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I mean, you got to be a pretty good dude man to step in a family role like that.
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So how exactly did he end up in Canton?
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Well, his sister lived in Canton and her house was in Canton, so whenever he moved in with his brother-in-law before he passed away, that's where they lived.
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Now he had met his sister's friends through taking guardianship of his niece and nephew.
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She had friends who had kids that were around the same age.
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His sister and his sister's family were basically established in Canton.
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Yes, and they had friends and a good support system and family and all of that.
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So he kind of moved right into the community and everybody knew what was going on.
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They knew these children were orphaned.
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He stepped in to be the guardian and to take care of them.
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So that's what was going on in his life.
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In 2020, he reconnected with Karen Reed.
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They had met years before, in 2004 at his sister's 30th birthday party.
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She was 24 years old then and they dated a few times and moved on with their lives, so it wasn't anything too serious.
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Now, back to 2020, they reconnect on Facebook during the COVID pandemic.
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By this time, john had been working as a Boston police officer for 14 years and was on the sex crimes task force.
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And so, by all accounts, this dude was a good ass dude.
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John O'Keefe, I mean, he moved into the role, he moved his life.
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He was a Boston police officer, he was working sex crimes and then he completely uprooted his situation to Canton and started being the father.
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I mean, you know, kind of father, father figure to his niece and nephew, and then I mean I'm impressed with the dude so far.
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And I've seen in an interview that Karen Reed had said that John was the patron saint of Canton and that he was such a good guy.
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He would do anything for anybody.
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He would offer to help.
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He was always there.
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If he was your friend and you needed him, you could call him and no questions asked he was going to be there.
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It sounded like the dude didn't have a selfish bone in his body.
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From what I've heard so far, no, not at all.
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And so, yeah, he was on the Sex Crimes Task Force and Karen wasn't doing too bad for herself either.
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She was a financial analyst for Fidelity Investments and she was also an adjunct professor at Bentley College.
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Now they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.
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By January of 2022, karen is staying over at John's house on One Meadow Drive four to five nights a week.
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She would go back to her home in Mansfield, massachusetts, on Mondays and Thursdays.
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On Thursdays, she would teach a remote college course and go to her home to do that and reset, rewind and take a break from the life of helping John raise these children.
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Can you imagine what an adjustment that would be?
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No, not at all.
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I mean, john had been in the role for several years, for like 11 years, but Karen, she was in her 40s, she didn't have kids, she was an independent woman, and then she kind of throws her own self into being a mom to a teenage daughter and an adolescent son.
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I wonder if at first it was all like exciting to her.
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You know what I mean Like ooh, I've never had a daughter, I've always wanted a daughter.
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But I don't think she ever pictured herself having children and I think that that becomes tension in their relationship at some point in time.
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So but she was a big help to John.
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He had to go to work in Boston at the headquarters or wherever the sex crimes office was.
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How far was Boston from Canton, where they lived at?
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I'm not 100% sure exactly how far away his job was, but I know if you map it it's about 15 miles, but it says it takes an hour to get there.
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So I'm assuming that's for the downtown traffic and all that kind of stuff.
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And I'll tell you, for any man that's ever raised a daughter, I mean, it's a hard enough job being a man and trying to raise a girl to a young woman, to a woman.
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That's rough without another woman figure in the picture.
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So I'm sure he was, you know, welcoming the help from Karen Reed and by all accounts, Karen Reed was probably, you know, good for helping him out with that.
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And by all accounts, Karen Reed was probably, you know, good for helping him out with that.
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Yeah, because he wasn't getting the amount of support that he had hoped for from the family.
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So they were kind of stuck together doing it on their own.
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So at this point in our story man, they're basically shacked up together.
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She's living with him, quote unquote, staying with him three, four or five days a week.
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She has a class, she teaches and then she goes home to Mansfield one or two nights a week.
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But basically, they're basically a family, yeah, a family, yeah.
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Now, on Friday, january 28th 2022, karen was taking John's niece to school.
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That morning, they made a pit stop at Dunkin' Donuts my absolute favorite place ever, because I love their coffee.
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Of course they stopped there.
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And also Dunkin' Donuts is headquartered in Canton, massachusetts.
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I didn't know that, yeah.
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So before going to school they stop at the Dunkin' Donuts and then Karen drops her off.
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Now Karen did her daily routine.
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It's Friday.
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She wants to make plans for the weekend.
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She's getting ready for this huge snowstorm called a nor'easter.
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Now, if you guys don't know what a nor'easter is, folks, I pay attention to the weather a lot because I'm a contractor and we need to know what's going on.
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But it's a storm that kind of swoops up the east side of the country and the winds from the ocean basically blow it northeast and it picks up moisture and sometimes, when it get up, gets up to new jersey and new york it drops a shit ton of snow on them.
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That's what a nor'easter is, so they were calling for one this evening yeah, the news reports said it was going to be a blockbuster event.
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So you know what do we do here.
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When they call for a blizzard, we go to town, we get all the supplies we need.
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Hunker down.
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And hunker down, but this evening I don't know about you, I'm not trying to interrupt you, but I kind of like it when there's a big storm coming.
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It kind of feels like, oh, let's go to the store and get our movies ready and get our podcast ready and get all hunkered down with our stuff.
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I don't know.
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And be snowed in.
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Yeah, I like that.
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That's my favorite.
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I'd never leave my house if I didn't have to.
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That's how much I love it Ditto, except for to go to the capital of Dunkin' Donuts if they invited you Right Now.
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So that evening Karen leaves her home in Mansfield, Massachusetts.
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She meets John and a few of his friends at a local bar, CW McCarthy's, in downtown Canton around 9 pm.
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Seems like a regular evening so far.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, when she arrives and greets John, they kiss and hug, exchange hellos and she takes a seat beside him at the bar.
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Everything looked cordial from security footage.
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This is security footage from CW McCarthy's.
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Yeah, they sit and they talk socialize with one another and they talk, socialize with one another.
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He chats it up with his friends until about 1030-ish, when Karen and John decide to go to another bar down the street called the Waterfall.
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It's about a two-minute walk.
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I think it might be Caddy Corner, across from CW McCarthy's or something like that.
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It's in walking distance, but I mean it's right downtown.
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Right, I can picture it.
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It's kind of like Bloomington.
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Yeah.
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Bar's catty corner, just a couple blocks down the street.
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I see that.
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They arrive around 11 pm and go to a table where John's friends are sitting.
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Where John's friends are sitting.
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Now we have the McCabe family and we have the Albert family that John joined.
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John was closer friends with Matt and Jen McCabe, and then there was the Alberts, brian and Nicole.
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Nicole is Jen McCabe's sister.
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Chris and Julie Albert were also there and that's Brian's brother.
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He is also a local business owner and a member of the Canton Select Board and that's basically like the town council of Canton.
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And Brian Albert.
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He was also a fellow Boston police officer, correct?
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Yes, brian Albert was a Boston police officer on the Fugitive Task Force.
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So I wonder if they knew each other well before this meeting.
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No, I mean there's 3,000 Boston police officers, I believe yeah.
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I don't think that they had crossed paths or knew each other very well.
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I believe they were kind of like acquaintances but not close friends.
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You would think, though they lived in a small town, in Canton.
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I mean, it's not a really big town, it's not a super small town, but it's not a giant town, even if they didn't know each other as good friends or buddies.
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If they both knew they were you know, both Boston police officers, they'd have been like hey brother, what's up?
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Kind of like you know.
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I think they had ran into each other and been introduced to each other at a local bar.
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Well, they've about had to with him, knowing Brian's brother, chris, and his wife with him, knowing Brian's brother, chris, and his wife.
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Yes, and the vibe that the Alberts give is that they were more like acquaintances, not close friends.
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Seen him here and there, met him once or twice.
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That was the vibe that you get from the reports that I read of the Alberts.
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Like John had never been over to his house or anything like that until you know this evening.
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But Karen had met Brian Albert once before, and that was the previous weekend at a local bar called the Hillside.
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But it was just like acquaintances, nothing best friends or anything like that.
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Karen said that John O'Keefe wanted to make a good impression on this family and he wanted to be friends with them why we're all.
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We've all the stuff that we have researched.
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I mean, brian albert was like, everybody looked up to him.
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He was a badass.
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I mean he was a boxer.
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I mean his brother owned the pizza shop.
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His family was big shit around there.
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So, um of of course, john O'Keefe wanted to make a good impression on him.
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I mean, this is a big family.
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The Alberts are a big family in Canton, all of them born and raised there.
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They all went to school together.
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They all was in sports.
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Their kids were in sports.
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John O'Keefe's kids were in sports.
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I mean, yeah, I mean everybody looks up to this dude.
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So, yeah, he's going to want to make a good impression on this dude.
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And it would have been a perfect community connection.
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Absolutely.
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I can see that.
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So they arrived to the Waterfall Bar and Grill about 11 or 1045 to 11 and they met the Alberts and the McCaves there.
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There was also another Brian there, which his name is Brian Higgins, and he was best friends with Brian Albert.
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Now I know all of this sounds confusing, but you'll understand why we're introducing these people like this.
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This is a deep story.
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These people like this.
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This is a deep story.