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The Cheating Heart will tell on you.
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The Cheating Heart will tell on you.
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Welcome everyone to Podcast 69 South, where we cuss and discuss true crime, cold cases, current events and hot topics, along with our state of society today.
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Welcome back everybody to part two of Jason Tatlock.
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This is 69 South and I'm Chop, your host.
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I'm glad you tuned in with us.
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I heard you going through some kind of cool songs there earlier.
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With me always is Julie.
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How are you doing today?
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Babe, I'm good.
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How are you?
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Let's get right back into it.
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We got a little bit more of the victim's stuff that we wanted to talk about and she had went back to his office to kind of talk to him.
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I guess she'd had a day or two to think about it and he was still at his office where she went to his office and she ended up basically telling him that she wanted to end the relationship type thing that they had together, that she wanted to end the relationship type thing that they had together.
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She had told him that she was kind of embarrassed and confused about the situation and you know she didn't want him to get in trouble and that basically she thought that it was all her fault and she wanted it to go back to the student resource officer relationship no more secretive bullshit going on.
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And she said at that point in time his fucking face turned red.
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I bet it was about the fucking pop.
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And he didn't respond to her at all.
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He didn't respond to that shit.
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no, Now she recalled that she was blaming herself and Tatlock told her that it was not her fault.
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She said that she reassured Tatlock that she was not going to tell anybody.
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You know what had happened and he responded with the effect of saying at this state in my life, it wouldn't even matter.
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She recalled reassuring him some more that what they did would be kept between them and made some dismissive statements about being influenced by consuming alcohol.
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She was giving him excuses and making excuses.
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Trying to make him feel better, yeah.
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And probably trying to make it sound right about what the fuck happened in her mind.
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Well, she told him that she was going to give him some time to process you know what they had just talked about and exited his office and she was walking backwards out the door and she recalled telling him that she hoped he wasn't mad at her and he responded back you know that he wasn't mad at all.
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After the victim had kind of went through the story, the interviewer wanted to go back and re-hit some of the bullet points.
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And the interviewer wanted to know more about the conversations that they had about the masturbation shit.
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And basically she said that he had asked her some weird fucking questions about what she used and if she did it and all kinds of weird shit.
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But we're not going to go into all that because it's irrelevant.
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Yeah, but she said there was different instances other than the ones that she spoke of before.
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There was an occasion where she wore some luluman style lulu lemon oh, lulu lemon, that's right.
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you said that shit to me the other day and I was like what are you talking about?
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It was like a tennis outfit type shit or something I never fucking heard of Lulu Lemon.
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It's like a fab athletic workout.
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I thought that was like some Korean cartoon character or something Anyway, with spandex shorts and kind of a longer shirt.
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Is that what Lulu Lemon is?
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But she recalled that Tatlock and Officer Braden was in the office and she said that Tatlock told her that it was so hard to stare, not to stare at her ass when the other cop was in there.
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He said that that's what she said.
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He said shit.
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She did tell the interviewer that she believed that Officer Braden may have been suspicious of the relationship between her and Tatlock.
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She also believed that Braden may have confronted Tatlock about him taking her out to lunch by himself.
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But he was like dude, what the fuck are you doing?
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Why the fuck are you taking that girl to lunch in the fucking fucking cop?
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Car?
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or the school resource car, whatever it is.
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I'm sure they call it the school cop car or whatever Cool kids call it nowadays.
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She also stated that while riding in the school cop car with Tatlock, he always urged her to stay quiet whenever he took phone calls.
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He always urged her to stay quiet whenever he took phone calls.
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She also stated that she never witnessed him acting weird with other students or being inappropriate, and basically that's what the victim had said.
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I mean there's a few more things.
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He asked her about a couple of apps on her phone that it's not really interesting to discuss and kind of maybe a little bit private, but he asked her if she deleted anything off her phone.
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She told him what she had deleted, what she hadn't deleted.
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She provided the Gmail app or the Gmail email deal that they were the address that she and him was communicating through.
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So let's get to the part where I've been dying to check out what Tatlock's got to say about this shit.
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I mean, he's a former Monroe County deputy, owen County deputy.
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He worked for the investigator as the Monroe County from the Monroe County prosecutor's office.
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Public defender yeah public defender's office and he's a he.
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Seymour police.
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Seymour police.
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He's either helps, he helps.
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He helps with sexual misconduct classes or yeah, he did he.
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It's in the probable cause affidavit.
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I guess he assisted with one, so he knows what's going on.
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So let's see what this dude had to say when the police called up with him and asked him what the fuck.
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On June 21st 2024, detective Springston, with the company of Detective Arthur and Detective Wilson, attempted to make contact with Tatlock via his phone number while they were all at the Spencer Police Department.
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He did not answer the call and I left a voicemail stating my name and law enforcement title and told him that I'd like an opportunity to speak with him.
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I told him I was currently at the Spencer Police Department and provided my telephone number for a call back.
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Now, around 130 pm.
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I followed up this call by sending a text message to Tatlock and it said hey, jason, it's the detective from DNR.
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Did you get my voicemail by chance?
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Shortly thereafter, tatlock called him back and they spoke briefly over the phone.
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He initially stated he did not want to come into the station to speak with me and I explained further the reason I'd like to speak with him and he asked if he could think about it for a little bit.
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I bet when he got that text message and that phone call he was like fuck it's Chris man, the fucking DNR dude.
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We was on the water, I'm fucked.
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They're at the Spencer Police Department, I guarantee he was a fucking nervous wreck.
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I bet he about shit his pants yeah dude was like hey, jason it's.
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you know it's dude from the DNR.
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You know who the fuck it is.
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I bet he was like motherfucker, I'm hit.
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I bet he had a heart attack sitting right there as he should have though I wonder if he called Chris and the DNR officer and was like, hey, buddy, what's going on?
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Like nothing was fucking happening Well.
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So I can't even believe they called him.
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And why didn't they just show up like do a pop-up and be like what's up?
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They would have showed up on me, they wouldn't have just called, I mean, if I did something wrong and I had a warrant or was going through an investigation.
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Yeah, they wouldn't have called me, they would have just come out here.
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Left a voicemail or shot me a text hey bro, hit me up, type shit, no, fuck, no, obviously, I'm pretty sure.
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I mean they probably were aware of each other.
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If they didn't know each other, they probably knew each other in a professional manner.
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I'm sure of it, man.
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Well, Tatlock confirmed that he was at home and the detective told him that he was currently at the Spencer Police Department.
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And to think about it and then get back with him with the decision.
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The detective thanked him and Tatlock did the same.
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Well, guess what?
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Right after that, they did what you said they should do in the first place they just showed up at his house.
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The detectives showed up at Tatlock's residence located around Owen County, Indiana, and it should be noted that this interaction was recorded by the body-worn camera.
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They made contact and they introduced themselves and they told Tatlock that they weren't trying to coerce him into speaking with them, but rather they was offering him an opportunity to tell his side of the story.
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Well, Tatlock responded by saying well, quote, I guess, just file whatever and I'll just deal with it in court.
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Tatlock also asked if he was going to be read his Miranda warning.
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The detective advised that he would.
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And then Tatlock asked if he could have a public defender present to assist him.
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The detective advised him that he didn't think that it was possible to get a public defender to come to his house in that moment to assist him while speaking with me, the detective asked Tatlock what his thoughts were about speaking with the detectives while they were at his home.
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Tatlock advised that his wife and son were home and the detective offered to make a phone call to talk about trying to get a public defender to represent him.
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He advised Tatlock that he would read the Miranda warning and presented a Mirandized waiver form to be used as documentation.
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The detective also told Tatlock that if at any other point after being Mirandized that if he wasn't comfortable talking, he could just tell the detective.
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They continued conversing and he advised him that he had learned that he resigned from his position as a school resource officer.
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Tatlock explained that he felt like he wasn't given due process.
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Take the school vehicle back.
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Well, this is two weeks.
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After the incident, like three days to the day after the incident and we know it was reported on the 18th of June, so three days before this it was reported, so something happened within that time.
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They made him resign, and he wouldn't even take the vehicle back, so he already knew he was in some shit.
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Yeah, but he's complaining about due process when he knows everything that he's done.
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Right, and I bet you he.
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If he was a cop, though, why would you be like are you going to read me my Miranda rights?
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You always hear people say, oh, I got out of this case because they didn't read me my rights.
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You'd think he would have waited for the motherfuckers not to read him and maybe try to get out of it or something.
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You know what I mean.
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He reminded him.
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I don't know, it's irrelevant.
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I don't think he's that smart.
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But anyway, they did give him his Miranda and they ended up saying they were going to have the interview in the garage.
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Tatlock opened up the garage and got a drink in the garage.
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Tatlock opened up the garage and got a drink and he offered the detectives some water and they declined.
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They situated the chairs in preparation for the interview and they discussed it.
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It was all going to be recorded on body cam and we're going to get right into it.
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Here we go Right off the bat.
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The detectives asked Tatlock if they knew what they were there for and what they wanted to talk about.
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He stated that yeah, I took the girl on a fishing trip and that was probably a violation of school policy for an employee to be alone with a student outside of school to go on a fishing trip.
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He advised that he had last work on Monday, june 17th and Tuesday, june 18th, so he was working the day that the victim had disclosed everything in the day that everything was reported.
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He worked that day.
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When asked, tatlock said that he had taken the victim on a fishing trip on Tuesday, a couple of weeks prior.
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This corroborated the victim's description of the date and the fishing trip.
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He indicated that on that date he and the victim went fishing at Cataract Lake and launched from the Cunot boat ramp.
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He agreed that he and the victim met up at the school to depart for the trip.
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After being directed to explain how their interactions began at Bloomington High School North, tatlock said that the victim was a student who would hang out, cut up and eat snacks in his SRO office at the school.
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He stated that he first met the victim during the first week of the 2023-2024 school year.
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Tatlock then reviewed his law enforcement employment history with me.
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He confirmed that prior to working as an SRO with Bloomington North, he was employed as a police officer with both Seymour Indiana Police Department and the Monroe County Sheriff's Department Seymour, indiana Police Department and the Monroe County Sheriff's Department.
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Tatlock added later that he is also employed as an investigator for the Public Defender's Office.
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After working for Monroe County Sheriff's Department.
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He stated that he had also worked as a deputy for the Owen County Sheriff's Department.
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Damn.
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So this dude's been a fucking cop everywhere.
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For a long time.
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Seymour, owen County, monroe County.
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That's crazy.
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He also stated that him and his wife had been married for 26 years.
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He stated that he began his position as an SRO with Bloomington North High School in July of 2023.
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He recalled that during the first week of the school year, he observed the victim arriving late to school with a Starbucks in her hand.
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He stated that he cracked a joke and that was the first time he and the victim had talked.
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He shared that there were approximately 1,600 students enrolled in the school.
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He confirmed that the victim was a junior during this past school year.
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Tatlock described the victim as outgoing someone who interacted with many of the school staff members.
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He added that towards the end of the school year, the victim visited his office more often, asking him for help with her assignments and to eat snacks.
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He stated the victim would often talk to him about her deceased parents and her family situation.
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He stated the victim would often talk to with him about her deceased parents and her family situation.
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He stated that he would interact with the victim both in the hallways and in his office.
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He stated that the door to his office was regularly kept open and that 15 to 20 students would regularly stop by.
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He also stated that student participants of the Bridges program would visit his office.
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He advised that these students had social and or emotional disorders and would come talk to him when they were having bad days.
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He confirmed that the victim was not in that program and named a male student, also a junior, who he said also visited his office a lot.
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He said that he would talk to this male student about sports games and he added that a male student would often come to his office and play with the Rubik's Cube.
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This kind of sucks man.
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Other than all this, I really hope no other shit comes out about this dude and he gets his shit together.
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You know what I mean, because I mean you're a cop for that long.
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I mean we've kind of looked him up there's no, I haven't seen any other bullshit about him.
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Seems like he's kind of trying to mentor kids and shit.
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It's just this one girl man got the best of him when his maybe he's going through some kind of life crisis or something.
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Cryphus, cryphus.
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Thanks, babe.
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I don't know man, it's just the whole situation is fucking sucks for everybody involved, I think.
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He also advised that this past school year he was one of two SROs assigned to Bloomington North.
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Wait a minute so.
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In the past school year his partner was another a female police officer.
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Yeah, it was a male A year before that.
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It was a male previously and then before that it was the woman.
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So in the previous school year he had a female police officer partner, yeah, and then she left for another job, mm-hmm, hmm, I was just remembering something back in the PCA.
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Probably nothing.
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So the detective wants to discuss the topic of hall passes.
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Tatlock stated that he was not aware that there had been any previous issues with the victim and possible abuse of using hall passes, hall passes it was his belief that any member of the staff could give a student a hall pass, and said that he had only gave her a hall pass on a few occasions and that he also gave hall passes to other students besides her.
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That's forgery.
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He's given fraudulent hall, passes out.
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I don't know.
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The detective confronted Tatlock about the communications with the victim outside of school hours, he agreed that he and the victim would communicate via email after exchanging email addresses.
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When asked about the sharing of photographs via email, he agreed that the victim had sent him photos when she was in Florida on vacation.
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He stated that the content of the emails was quote stupid stuff, end quote, and that the victim would ask him to bring her food.
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He confirmed that he did purchase food for the victim because of her asking, adding that he had also procured food for others.
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He agreed that on the last day of school he had taken both the victim and a male student to get something to eat, but couldn't remember exactly if it was McDonald's, wendy's, chick-fil-a.
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When asked about some other occasions, he stated that he had taken the victim to get a milkshake or something.
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When prompted further, he indicated that this outing occurred after school was out of session.
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He then recalled that on the outing with the victim and the male student on the last day of school, he was driving the students in his sro vehicle.
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He stated that the victim asked to be brought to her house to pick up a book that needed to be returned to school in addition to the trip for food.
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He said that he dropped the male student off first and drove the victim back to school.
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He agreed that he and the victim exchanged gifts on the last day of school.
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He said that she gave him a candle and a little plaque that said number one dad.
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He stated that it made him feel like the victim looked at him like a father figure.
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Tatlock said in the exchange he had also purchased the victim a $50 Starbucks card.
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In the exchange he had also purchased the victim a $50 Starbucks card.
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Tatlock added that other SROs from Bloomington North High School were posting photos or information of gifts that they had received from the students at the end of the year.
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Tatlock agreed that the gifts given to him by the victim were a surprise to him and he chose to surprise her.
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He admitted that he did not give any other gifts to any other students or staffs other than the one he gave to her.
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Tatlock described a situation involving a female special needs student who seemed infatuated with him and added that he was told that this student was signing her last name as Tatlock and telling others that she was his wife his wife.
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When asked, he agreed that he had access to programs within the school Skyward system to look up students' information.
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He admitted to looking up the victim's information in the database.
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He advised that he did not have the victim's phone number and that he and the victim would communicate in person or through email.
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He stated that he would use his phone and sometimes his laptop computer to send and receive emails with the victim.
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He stated that he was not aware of any student that had a crush on him other than the special needs student.
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He added that the school administrators were aware of that situation, her feelings towards Tatlock and the actions she was doing.
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He stated that he did not feel like the victim had a crush on him until lately, saying that he had figured that out on the day he took the victim on the fishing trip.
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He felt that his interactions with the victim would not best be categorized as flirtatious, rather described his relationship with the victim more like your buddy who you just hung around.
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Tatlock did say that he felt like he was kind of a father figure towards the victim and he said that he has told her that if she needed anything he was there for her.
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They asked Tatlock if he had been had, you know, training on as an SR officer how to handle officer student relations, officer-student relations.
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He said that he probably did and he mentioned that it also should be common sense quote-unquote on how to handle those situations.
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I agree common sense should tell you that you don't fucking hang out Hindsight's 20-20 in.
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Absolutely.
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The officer suggested that there was a male student and the victim had been competing for his attention during the school year.
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Tatlock said that those two would kind of bicker back and forth.
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You know, it was probably like I'm his favorite, no, I'm his favorite.
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It was exactly like that.
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No, he likes me more than he likes you, type shit.
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Yeah.
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When asked if he felt that he needed to set boundaries with the victim, tatlock said no, this is quote.
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No, I mean, like I said, like the last, probably last week of school she came around probably a little bit more than normal, but I mean so did the male student.
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I think it was just because they had finals and a lot of free time.
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Tatlock agreed that the victim continued to visit him at the school even after school was out of session for the summer, adding that the victim popped in there a couple of times.
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Tatlock said that of those occasions, the victim either just stopped in unannounced or may have emailed him prior to stopping in.
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He believed that the victim visited his office three times after school was out for the summer.
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He agreed that on one of those occasions he took the victim to get a milkshake.
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He stated that it was the victim's idea to go on that trip.
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He agreed that he took the victim on this trip using the school vehicle and later said that he believed that they went to a Chick-fil-A on this outing to get a milkshake.
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He felt that this trip lasted approximately 20 minutes and occurred in the afternoon hours.
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He advised that he had a Facebook and Instagram social media accounts and admitted he had looked the victim up on Instagram in her presence and at her direction to view some of her photos she had posted on the account.
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He believed that this incident had occurred while he and the victim were in his office at the school.
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He stated that it was the victim's idea to go fishing together and he again described the day of the fishing trip as Tuesday or a couple of weeks prior.